I understood everything else you said William I just don’t agree with it so I’m leaving that alone as an “Agree to disagree” kind of like what me and Steven discussed on Philosphy’s even though I think him and I are on more of the same page–but on that page we also will have to agree to disagree because no ones swaying until they get more info-----and thats what I am going to be looking for.
Thank you Guy. I really do appreciate it.
One thing I have tried to build my 20+ year career on is professional integrity. I believe in admitting when I’m wrong. In this case, while I accurately reported the information that was given to me, and while I did state that the article was based on the information provided by Robert Hinderliter, obviously the information was not the . Again, whether that was a blatant lie or a communication breakdown or a combination of both, I don’t know, but I will work my damnedest to find out and do what I can to find the truth. One thing I hate ALMOST as much as being lied about is being lied to, and if that’s what it was, I will report it. However, I’m not going to assume that it’s a clear-cut case of being lie to until I see evidence.
As for Scott Stone, I want to publicly say I don’t believe he did anything wrong by going to Richard Boon. Obviously, Boon had the final say on what was going on so he was the person who needed to be contacted. I went to the wrong rep and was given bad information. Scott did the right thing.
I personally think the best thing that could happen now is for both sides to stop flinging assumed accusations at each other and look to see what really happened here. I assumed the information I was given was authoritative, and I was wrong. I’ve had at least two false assumptions made about me on PWI, and they are wrong. As the saying goes, when we assume it only makes an ■■■ out of you (u) and me.
Great Post Allison and I always appreciate your sincerity and Integrity. I’m doing my own research here as well to see what Scott’s and Roberts intentions were. I very well may report my findings here as well. You and I should be getting some of the same information so we can corroborate some of this together.
I’m also reaching out to get something else that no ones looking for yet and my guess it maybe disturbing… We’ll see. Catch up soon and keep doing what you do which is Great journalistic reporting in my eyes.
I accidentally deleted some words when writing the original message, and they were very important!
I meant to write "and while I did state that the article was based on information provided by Robert Hinderliter, obviously the information was not the SAME AS WHAT WAS STATED BY RICHARD BOON.
Allison you have alot of guts posting on that “other” bulletin board. You got attacked the second you did. This is why I told Robert to just forget that bb. It’s not worth it. I asked to get banned the first time because I wanted them to lock me out cause I hated the negativity there. They preceded to bring me back 4 times and ban me 4 times. Just typical of the games they play. Finally they banned me for life because I told the owner of that bb that him and his sidekick are not coming to Vegas for free and they will have to pay just like everyone else because I don’t need him to speak. His nasty temper got the worst of him and he became so abusive he snapped like a dead branch. I was banned from there for life.
I did so many positive things for him over the years. Pretty much carried his bb for the 3 yrs he left from 03-05. The one time he doesn’t get his way he exploded. It’s reasons like this people have labeled him a tyrant. Personally I like him in person and he makes me laugh. When he called me to tell me I was banned for life I just couldn’t stop laughing. I then couldnt thank him enough… That’s when he came out on his bb and told all if they ever want to call John T. They need to call Bellvue first…lol. He’s to funny… It’s reason like this I just can’t take him serious. He tells me he carry’s those homo pics of him in his wallet so he never forgets. Who does that??
I don’t know. I pity him. Feel bad for him because I dealt with people like that when I was in law enforcement and we usually brought them where they can be evaluated by a mental health specialist.
It’s really not worth posting on his site anymore unless your ready for him to attack you where his mods stand by helplessly. He wants the ratings and to me it’s not worth it at other people’s expense.
Another quick story about that “other” bb, they use to have this girl Lori post there for her fathers company. They were a distributor. One day an order for one of the members of that bb got screwed up. It may have been stolen from his property. There was a dispute over this that carried onto that bb.
End result Lori’s father did right from what I was told and he covered the losses. Lori on the other hand was slaughtered on that bb. One day I ordered some soap from here and she knew me from that bb. She started crying on the phone because of the way her and her father were attacked there. She said her father never wanted to be a part of that bb but Lori thought he should be so she brought his company there.
In the end Lori was heart broken for her father because of the abuse they both got. She got a phone call from you know who and he was so abusive to here that she felt sick. She cried about this when all I was doing was ordering soap.
Sad story. The Vegas thing we did and how we were attacked there-- sad story. This OC stuff and what happened because people didn’t want to call others but they just came attacking at that bb-- sad story.
The attacks that happened to Chris & Thad there— sad story.
Attack me…that’s fine. Attack others it’s wrong.
Personally I have moved on.
Lori or Rex one ripped off multiple contractors, one of whom I have known well for years on a personal level. She was great at turning on the waterworks and getting out of things. When that didn’t work she told my friend to eat it. It was a several hundred dollar “meal”.
It wasn’t just one forum that she got busted on. Please stay on topic.
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I don’t want to take this too far off topic, but since you mentioned the “attacks” i will comment. I had no plans to ever post on PWI unless there were lies about me significant enough to justify it. And I didn’t want to just post my comments over here. I was being attacked anyway, largely withe lies, so I wanted to at least get my side of the story on there. If they were attacking the article, that’s fine. I’ve already admitted that the information I posted from Robert’s interview did not match that of Richard Boon’s. It was when Ron mentioned that I am heartless because I wrote negative things about his wife and kids that I responded.
For months, Ron has been texting me and threatening to sue me if I don’t pull down a post where I supposedly talk bad about his family. Then he inevitably sends me a link to a post on another bulletin board (that I have no control over) and a post made by someone other than me (which I have no control over) that makes a reference to his family. The thread was started by me about my official statement on why I wouldn’t work with the UAMCC while Ron was in charge, but I have never said anything ugly about his wife and children. In fact, the only thing I’ve ever done was comment on his Facebook page – back when we were “friends” – that his little girls are adorable (and they are). The problem is when you look up “Ron Musgraves” and “eClean Magazine,” that’s what comes up – the thread I started on a bulletin board that I have no control over, and the comments made by someone else about his family, which again were NOT by me and that I have no authority to remove. He has also sent me texts accusing me of “false testimonies.” It took me awhile to figure out what the heck he was talking about, but I pieced the nonsense together and realized he was accusing me of making up comments – using REAL industry members names – and posting them on my website on the page with our official statement about not working with the UAMCC. I was asked to remove them. The comments (which for the record were NOT written by me), were posted in the heat of my UAMCC posting, and some were quite nasty, so I decided to remove them. Then I started being accused by Ron of hiding them because I was guilty of making them up. I was just trying to do the honorable/professional thing. (I cannot win.) Now it also appears – although a little hard to decipher what he’s saying – that he is saying I made up all the screen shots of emails, Facebook chats, etc., that I used to document why I would not work with the UAMCC while Ron was President. In other words, I somehow made up false identities, pretending to be Ron, and wrote a bunch of conversations myself.
Until now, I had not seen him post anything about the family comments (that again, were not mine) publicly. But he did on #43 of the “PWNA misrepresentation” post on PWI. I posted my response, then later linked to the original post about his family on the other bulletin board asking him to show me where I said anything negative about his family. He can’t. The comments in question are still on that thread, but they are not by me. So he basically changes his story, saying it’s because I associate with people who say things about his family that he has the right to blame me and sue me over this.
All of this is related to the “homo photos” that were posted of him and he says I condone them because I don’t think they affected his family. I don’t condone the photos. But as far as I’m concerned, it’s not about the photos. It’s about the fact that Ron has changed his story many, many times about the photos. He told me they were by someone other than the person he’s recently been accusing. More than that, now he’s saying it was about this person POSTING the photos, where before he was not accusing this person of posting the photos, he was accusing the person of photoshopping the photos in the first place. And again, I have where he blamed someone else for them before. And I also have where he posted on PWI that they child porn photos, not gay porn. Again, just recklessly flinging accusations to see what sticks.
When I make a mistake, as much as it may suck I try to admit when I’m wrong and do what I can to rectify the situation. That’s what I’m trying to do here with the OC situation. And in my opinion, that’s what a real leader bound by a code of ethics would do as well.
Allison,
Stay strong. You are a true leader in this industry. He is only one person with a remora. Its a double edged sword with him. Its ok for him to bring families into or onto the BBS’ however bring his in and he doesn’t like it.
In regards to the “homo photo’s” I have no idea if this will ever go away. For crying out loud I think it was 15 years ago. Te true person who created the photo probably isn’t even around anymore. It only comes out when Ron wants the sympathy and goes on his “see what they are doing to me” rampages.
I really cant wait to see the final outcome of emails or correspondence from OC officials. Hopefully the minions didn’t screw up what could’ve been a good thing for contractors.
Why anyone in the Industry allows Ron to be the boss of them I just don’t get it. He’s lucky I’m not involved with his group because his Conduct is so deplorable he would be jettison right out of there since he represents so many hard working contractors with his actions.
And yes him and his #2 there are Vendors yet there the first 2 who say there org is a “Contractors for Contractors org” When there really “Vendors for Contractors” Org. Nothing wrong with that because contractors need good Vendors but Ron is fooling no one here. People who don’t think this is true like most of us know it is… They’ll just have to spend there hard earned money and find out for themselves and if there OK with this Vendor For Contractor org… It’s all good.
Heck if I wasn’t banned there I would consider joining cause I respect Vendors but Ron would have to go first and since he’s telling everyone he sold all of his Powerwashing businesses… Does he still belong being a president when he’s no longer in this Industry?? Just another problem for the UAMCC to figure out with him.
Please stay on topic.
This is about Robert and the PWNA, not Ron or the UAMCC. Stay focused. What is the PWNA’s response to this? According to Mr. Boon’s email response it seems pretty cut and dry.
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I just want to clarify that in this statement I’m referring to anyone who serves on any board of any association with a written code of conduct.
While I’m here, I’ll just report that I’ve received word that my request to speed up the processing of the FOIA request has been denied. As of right now, they have until June 20 to get me the info, but I’m extending my request to include a little more info, so it may be later than that before I get the paper trail.
I don’t know what anyone expects to find the UAMCC contacted OC to corroborate the PWNA’s and Roberts statements and involvement. They Found proof he and the PWNA were lying and trying to push their agenda on unsuspecting contractors. Other than that you can try to spin it any way you want the PWNA and Robert both lost face in the industry. And most likely screwed up any cooperation with OC AHJ’s and the pressure washing community by more than a few years. Allison knowing the history that goes along with this subject I think a little more investigation would have went a long way.
It’s coming. I talked to a few people today on both sides of the fence. I also gave out some numbers for them to talk to each other. Lets see where it goes. Personally I am already looking ahead to see whats down the road for the PWNA members. This thing is pretty much dead in the water.
Also I want to add to Thads Remark above… The UAMCC is involved in this no matter how you want to slice and dice it. There is no denying that because the emails show this.
I’ll also add this… in the end there will be no winners here on either side because the contractors lost a voice on this one.
I agree that more investigation should have been done. However, I want to find out if and where communication breakdowns may have occurred. I haven’t seen everything yet, but I have seen, among other things, an email with the BMP document that was posted online that was sent by Jenna Voss with approval of Richard Boon to post it and get feedback. This document had the OC logo on it and was titled the “Orange County Cosmetic Cleaning BMPs.” In the email, Boon commented that his staff may have some changes that they need to make, but it was ok to go ahead and circulate it and they would make those adjustments along with the feedback received. He concluded the email with this statement, “I am happy for the document to be now circulated and appreciate your efforts on behalf of your industry.”
Then post it
One question I have – and possibly this is where miscommunication might have come into play – is what is meant by “membership.” I asked Robert about this just now and his comment was from the conversations he had with Jenna Voss, it meant members of the pressure washing industry because it would likely be illegal to make BMPs available for public comment period that were for the PWNA membership alone.
I’m not sure how to go about posting the document that Jenna sent to prove it was from her since it was sent as an attachment. Is the same document Robert posted – layout and all – only it is in Word. Robert added Jenna’s contact information at the end and turned the Word file into a pdf file.
Allison thanks for investigating this further but let me ask you this. At this point are you concluding like I am that since this workshop appears to be canceled the PW contractors lost a golden opportunity here? To me it looks like some of the guys involved had there hard work go up in flames.
Maybe I’m being a bit premature in asking you this now since your still searching for answers. Good luck on your hard work here;)
I’m not going to have an opinion on whether it was a loss or not because I’m not the one it impacts. I think some will consider it a loss; others will say it’s a victory. Just as my guess is what ultimately happened here – whatever it is – will be interpreted differently by different people because we all look at it from our individual perspectives.
Looks pretty damning to the PWNA from here.
