I have no idea where u get that from.
I use A&H with oxyclean to mask smell if that is what u referring to, but so does @Racer
If that us what you mean
I have no idea where u get that from.
HUH? Chelators deal with hard water…what does that have to do with rinsing?
As for the rest of this, I have no idea how this thread devolved. I tried to respond last night, but it was locked for a cooling off period.
Foam has good qualities if it is light, easily dispersed foam. More contact time with stains and soil is always a good thing, and the foam does allow for that…again, if it’s easily dispersed. Having to rinse a house for 2 hours because everytime you hit it with water MORE foam appears because there was entirely too much chemical used, is a bad thing.
As a side note, when I have a collection of foam like that, the mound and mounds of foam, I hit the foam with isopropyl alcohol, aka rubbing alcohol. It kills the foam immediately, just in case anyone has that problem, just thought I would share :- )
Tyvm for the clarification
That’s the terminology used to describe it to me. I know that SH mixed with elemantor rinses quicker than SH on outs own or with any of a dozen other surfactants I have used. Ditto on the alcohol. Keep a spray bottle on the trucks for when the tanks foam over. Rinsing foam from a house sucks.
Would catalyst be a more accurate term?
Probably sheeting is the term. I’ve got about 30% hearing loss in both ears and don’t always hear words on the phone well
I can see sheeting… I could also be convinced that certain products have surface tensions that are better suited to be rinsed with a pressure washer.
I place chelators in products to assist with heavy water or metal contamination. Too much metal in the water and it won’t foam or clean correctly. The chelators bind up the heavy metals for a bit allowing the water to foam and suds up. The only chelator that assists in rinsing is sodium gluconate, which isn’t in these types of products. It’s usually just good old fashion EDTA which can be helpful in that if it is binding up the metals (Calcium, sodium, iron, magnesium, copper…etc.) then the surfactant can work better.
Chelators are not catalysts.
Bear in mind, rinsing with a pressure washer, the way most of its do it, is simply using it as an 8 gpm garden hose. No pressure involved. You are always a cool cat with good info. I like your style.
I wasn’t suggesting that. Sorry if it came across that way.
I write labels daily that include rinse…no rinse…air dry…wipe with lint free cloth…and on and on and on and on. Some surfactants need help, others just need water to wash lightly over them. I’ve looked at the Elemonator, I know that the surfactants in there just need to be barely touched by water to be washed away. This would be different than say dawn dish soap, which is designed to stay and make 900 sink fulls of suds…in theory of course :- )
I’m going to congrat-chelate myself for joining this forum!
My morning coffee has never been so enlightening
it’s all good. I could see him misearing chelator vs catalyst. It’s like playing the sounds like game with my daughter. One day she said she wanted to go to dinner at the lollipop place. I can’t recall ever taking her to a place that served lollipops, even after the meal. It turned out that she had had a rootbeer lollipop, which had a barrel on the wrapper. So OF COURSE she meant cracker barrel…I was suppose to get that from “the lollipop place”.
For clarification (kinda), I think our main point was, foaming is unnecessary. Not practical for a typical house wash.
When my youngest was about 5 he commented, as were rode pass a liquor store, that he didn’t want anything from there. I allowed that was a good thing. Yea, he said, I don’t know really like twizzlers or Licorice
This may be weird in a sense, but I kinda like making what I am doing look harder than it is. I want to the owner thinking “I made a good call calling him to do it” and not “well, that ain’t too hard, just spray some water around, drink a beer and then rinse off”. If I know they are watching, I pull out my soft bristle brush and start “scrubbing” things (while waiting for mix to dwell) just to make it look hard and like I am working really hard to get their hose clean. I don’t mind that extra 10-15 minutes per job, get better tips when I do it and the homeowner will be sure to call me next time and not want to do it themselves. I think to some degree foaming is an extension of this idea. I believe perception is reality, and if I can alter their perception, then I can lead them to what I want their reality to be.
Seems like you’re being paranoid to me, and in a way disingenuous. The reality is they want a clean house and won’t or can’t do it themselves!
Spray on - Rinse off - Collect $ - Drive to next job.
The end result speaks for itself
Or do what I do and don’t require anyone to be home and email invoice. So much nicer Washing when no ones home.
Foam on, guys!