Downstream ratio

Easiest way to figure this is, ratios are unimportant.

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The ratios given by manufacturers is usually the theoretical best case scenario of how much the injector can draw. As in, lowest rated flow rate (on a 2-4 gpm injector, theyā€™ll rate it based on a 2gpm machine), no back pressure from long hoses, short soap tube, etc.

In real life, they will draw a lot less.

But @Innocentbystander is correct. Ratios donā€™t matter for most situations.

If the growth on the siding is turning colors and starting to come off within 5 minutes or so, your mix is good. If it sloughs off 30 seconds after it hits the siding, itā€™s too hot - add some water. If itā€™s not budging after 5-10 minutes of dwell, itā€™s too weak. Thatā€™s all you really need to know for washing in the real world.

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Youā€™re confusing the orifice size with it being a ratio. I think youā€™re confused because you originally thought the 2.1 mm size was its draw ratio. Ratios use a : between the two numbers not a period. The injector orifice size is in millimeters and usually 1.8, 2.1, 2.8, etc. The size of the injector is stamped on the side not the draw rate. Donā€™t even worry about the orifice size when trying to figure draw rate. Most of us step down a size which helps with a higher draw. For example, if using an 8 gpm machine youā€™d use a 2.1 mm injector.

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I agree that when downstreaming, calculating an exact ratio is a waste of time. I also think itā€™s pretty important for new folks to understand how calculating those ratios actually works though.

You donā€™t want somebody trying to use their new x-jet, doing some bad math, and having to replace a bunch of faux stone because they THOUGHT they were applying 1%

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Howā€™d you find that old pic of me? My labcoat is still white but the vest and bowtie are now royal blue. :wink:

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My accountant would be laughing at the amount of mathematics going into this 5 gallon bucket.

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Hereā€™s what Iā€™ve learned, over the last year, about downstreaming. The strongest possible mix, with a 4gpm machine in theory, is 1.2 or maybe 1.5 % if you get lucky with a fresh batch of sh. So, If the house looks pretty clean and itā€™s painted you can cut your sh with water. If it looks dirty, or has lots of organics, or it is brick/ stucko leave it full strength. That is all. Downstream ratio class over. :joy:
If you canā€™t clean it with 1% you canā€™t get it with a downstream injector.

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Is that because of a physical limitation the downstream injector has, like a max volume that one could pull before not working?
Also are you reffering to full 12.5 sh?

Thanks

Injectors can only pull so much mix. Thatā€™s why a 4 gpm machine can pull a stronger mix than an 8 gpm machine. Even with an 8 gpm it still pulls a strong enough mix to clean most siding. Real thick algae might take a couple applications though.

Iā€™ve read how chem concentrations on 8 gpm machines are lower than on 4 gpm machines, but Iā€™m not sure I understand it completely. Do they draw at the same rate, but since the chem from an 8 gpm machine is getting mixed with 2x the water, then by default the concentration is lower?

Guys have been pressure washing for decades and through trial & error have figured out the best way of doing things. I guess Iā€™m feeling frustrated that Iā€™m just getting into the game now and donā€™t have a way of reading about the trial & error done in the past that resulted in something becoming the ā€œstandardā€ way of doing things, and hearing why something else doesnā€™t/wonā€™t work.

Iā€™ve tried googling about this but I canā€™t find anything. What would happen if the hose barb on the downstream injector on an 8 gpm machine was replaced with one with a larger orifice so you could use a chem hose with a larger I.D.? The larger hose would hold more chem, but would the 8 gpm machine pull it? Obviously thereā€™s a cutoff point somewhereā€¦ you couldnā€™t run a fire hose from a chem tank to a DS injector and expect the pump to pull chem through it, but where is that cutoff point?

Here you go - this will get you started

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Yes, the strongest solution you can get with a 4 gpm machine and 12.5 sh is 1.25%. Thatā€™s more than enough for the average house wash and just right for a really bad house. Really dirty brick and stucko may need more.

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Hereā€™s the facts. If you have an 8gpm machine just use full 12.5% and surfactant. You wonā€™t even have 1% with any injector, even the fancy ones that claim stronger pull. and hopefully even then itā€™s strong enough. Honestly to me itā€™s a waste of time to dilute sh on your downstream mix as youā€™re using so little anyway. More likely the case is youā€™re not gonna be strong enough and youā€™re gonna have to either 12 V it or upgrade to a gas powered system and start cleaning Stucco, roofs and other heavy growth quickly and easily.

Not a lot of facts in all those words.

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I just installed a 1/4 metering valve on my DS line because even though my 8.5 GPM pulls 18 to 1 and my SH strength is just at or under 0.7%, some vinyl houses just have lights black dots on the siding and gutters which can be cleaned with half that strength. SH is corrosive so I try to only use what I really need.

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True, I keep forgetting about this mysterious vinyl houses everyone speaks of. For me time is worth more than $5 in sh and so I just go full strength right off the bat. How many times do you find yourself hitting something twice because it wasnā€™t quite strong enough diluted? Plus now here in Cali we have a draught and canā€™t waste water treating things twice.

Sometimes I do have to apply twice but using less chem and soap means rinsing plants and homeā€™s less and less risk for window streaking as well. Rinsing is 80% of our time.

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Iā€™ve been using speedx777 from espec. It really helps cut down on the rinsing time.

How does it do so?