Doug Rucker, here's the answer to your question

[MENTION=4641]Doug Rucker[/MENTION], you asked a question (I’m assuming it was sincere) on another board and my answer got deleted almost immediately so I’m not sure you got a chance to see my answer. Here it is. I did my best to stick to the facts and not let emotion color the delivery too much.

[COLOR=#262626][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif][SIZE=3]OriginallyPosted by [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#262626][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif][SIZE=3]DougRucker[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#262626][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#262626][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif][SIZE=3]Didthis happen to you and if so, who did it???

[B][U]My response:

[COLOR=#262626][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif][SIZE=3]Yes,Ron did, over quite a period of time. [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#262626][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif][SIZE=3]WhenI told him that I was having an event in New Orleans he thought itwas a great idea until he understood that I wasn’t doing it for himto come and run. This was before NCE, back in 2007. He said he"invented New Orleans" and that if I had an event withouthim he would ruin it.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#262626][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif][SIZE=3]Hecalled contractors and told them not to waste their money.
He calledvendors and told them that they had to pick between me and him. Iknow for sure that he called Bob, Pete, and Robert because they toldme and Ron confirmed it later.
He threatened to call my customers andput me out of business. [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#262626][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif][SIZE=3]Ioffered to send him a phone book so he could start calling.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#262626][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif][SIZE=3]Sureglad I’m 90% residential.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#262626][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif][SIZE=3]:D[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#262626][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif][SIZE=3]In2009 he had the Tampa round table the exact same day as New Orleansand got back on the phone to any contractor saying publicly that hewas coming to New Orleans to tell them not to come. That was OK, Icouldn’t have handled a big event anyway.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#262626][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif][SIZE=3]Hehas also been accusing me lately of photoshopping him into gay pornand hurting his children somehow. Funny thing is that he also accusedtwo more people (that I now of) of the same thing and he knows that Ididn’t do it. I didn’t even know who he was when it was done, iirc.And I don’t own nor have any idea how to use Photoshop. Ron admittedin New Orleans in 2010 that he knew I didn’t do it. The later picturethat cropped up after he started harassing me of me screwing Ron inthe butt I also had nothing to do with and wish with all my heartthat someone hadn’t sent to me.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#262626][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif][SIZE=3]Thehorror.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#262626][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif][SIZE=3]AndI would like to see anyone be able to take phone calls or do businesswith a text coming through every 5 seconds over and over and over.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#262626] [FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif][SIZE=3]OriginallyPosted by [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#262626][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif][SIZE=3]DougRucker[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#262626][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#262626][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif][SIZE=3]Seethe real problem is people like to use the word ‘drama’ when it isactually the truth. Drama never hurt nobody, because it’s not REAL,it’s FAKE. But the truth does hurt.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]
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Theproblem is limiting the drama limit’s the truth, but maybe that’sbest, because some think the truth requires protection.

My response:

[COLOR=#262626][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif][SIZE=3]Thetruth hurts and so do lies.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#262626][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif][SIZE=3]Iknow you’re the new guy around, Doug. You have only seen the helpfulRon. I’m glad you got help in Houston. You haven’t gotten theexperience of not giving Ron what he wants and the harassment andbullying that comes from it.

[COLOR=#262626][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif][SIZE=3]I’mnot the only one. Not even close.

[COLOR=#262626][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif][SIZE=3]Thething that bothers me most isn’t that Ron is [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#262626][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif][SIZE=3]spreadinglies the absolutely knows aren’t true.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#262626][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif][SIZE=3]I am used to that at this point.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#262626][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif][SIZE=3]It’sthat people who KNOW that he is lying- like about my involvement inthe UAMCC and that I tried to bring the exact same benefits tomembers. There were five other board members that were on thoseconference calls. Some have admitted it privately but won’t do itpublicly because they “don’t want to deal with Ron”.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#262626][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif][SIZE=3]So,you can take things at face value or you can do some asking andchecking on your own and see the other side of the coin.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#262626][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif][SIZE=3]Seehow the other half lives![/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]

Its the stuff like this that ended my Bulletin board involvment with some of the other bb’s which I enjoyed. I was offered to administrate a few of them in the past but even though I was in a high end Computer room on the other side of the country which gave me unlimited time to hang around these bulletin boards I had no interest in becoming a techie wiz to keep the bulletin boards on the cutting edge in this industry.

The one thing I new alot about was who was doing what, where and when. I had the abilities to look at Time lines when things were good or bad to dispell any rumors out there. I also had the ability to check IP’s before that was easy to do to see where some of the “Trouble makers” were posting from under different alliases.

I also talked to alot of people and went to plenty of roundtables including one where I drove all the way down to North Carolina and Picked up Rob Huffman along the way and slept an hour next the NC RT and at there I met Thad, Had a magical Conversation with David Olsin (who since passed away) left that RT drove Rob Huffman all the way back and then went in South Jersey to hook up with Everett Abrams and Brian Penney who’s Roundtable just ended. I met them at the bar where the RT was held… and we talked shop to I almost dropped and then I left to head home… very little sleep was my MO back then.

So I had a pretty good idea on what was going on with many things within this industry. Most was good but some was terrible.
I can vouch for what Thad is saying about him being accused of sending porn when I was a moderator on that bulletin board that had the capability to look into things like an admin. Thad was nowhere around then when this Porn thing came out. I was able to check the time lines of the post when that happened and I have an idea where that came from but it wasnt Thad.

The drama and the games were getting to be rediculous. Way back when we had some laughs over the drama of it all but it was never over hurtful stuff as to what it is now…

So when you know the truth the drama ends. So thats what I ended up doing years later which was just a few weeks ago. When I found post that a certain individual was selling on other bb’s in the unauthorize area’s for people to do that and he was warned on only his 4th post to stop it and if he’s going to keep selling then he was told to do it in the Vendor areas like all Vendors have to do but this indivual kept doing it by sneaking in his school etc… and along the way he and the one who was mad at me as well started there garbage when I brought something positive into this industry… I sucked it up and took the garbage until my wife was being accused of being a liar now and that is where because I had admin powers I took that thread off of the face of the earth from that site. To accuse my wife of being a liar because she knows some kind of truth, to tell people we were about pouring chemicals into streams to kill the fishes, To the one in here who after I announce the good news for this industry his response to fire up the others for the drama was I dont get it I dont see any surprise and his continuing responses to keep the drama going with So what, whats the big deal etc because his boss was mad at me now because I confided in him on what I have… Well you dont forget. Forgive down the road maybe because I know who’s pulling who’s strings… and even that person I can get past because I took it all away from him when he made it easy to announce to all he doesnt want what I have because he was mad at me… I can forgive him as well because neither one of these guys can have any affect on what it is that I do…

But for Thad-- It was about as low as one can go to accuse him of hurting this guys Children when I knew as does this guy that It could not be Thad because of Time lines… The hope here is that these two individuals can straighten out there act and knock it off. Especially the one main individual here. His energy is endless but his direction is a total waste of time if he wants to keep dealing with the negative to make up stories to add drama to help bring up ratings on the net…
That is something I walked away from and now go to place like PWRA and PWC sites because the drama is removed and the professionalism shines right thru those two sites.

The others can stop the games if they want to succeed and earn the respect that others have who did the right thing… such as what Thad and Company do at the NOLA event. There is reall loyalty and trust there and just a great atmosphere to soak it all in and have some fun afterwords. Why someone would want to try and knock that down shows you how low they can go to try to get what they want… and it just wont work as time has shown.
And thats that.

Thanks for posting Thad. I do remember a phone conversation I had with you and Ron on the phone in mid to late 2010, in which the conversation was mainly about Carlos. This conversation was one of the first I had with Ron after I had been ticketed in Houston. I had just signed on to PWN, was asked to be a moderator and had heard some things about him. Ron was explaining some things to me and then got you in on the phone call in which you gave your opinions a well. No need to go into any of that, but I bring it up because the conversation did turn to your NOLA event and the success it was having and you did say that much or maybe not much but some of your success had been due to the advice and help Ron had given you and you appreciated that help. I understand things change, relationships change, due to whatever reasons.

Yes, he was involved in 2010 and did help a lot. He sold banner sponsorships and split the fee with me. That was great because I had to do it without any sponsor dollars at all in 2008, 2009.
2010 was the only time that the event was actually associated with NCE. He listed on the website as an NCE event in 2009 and had it on the event shirts. We had very loud and direct conversation about that at the restaurant in Prattville before Russ’ round table.

I have no problem giving credit where credit is due. I would like the same in return.

And if there is anything that you don’t want to discuss here you are welcome to call me.

One of the reasons I did not hesitate to join the PWRA was because the WCR forum was kept free of the industry politics, bs, sniping, mine is bigger than yours $hit. It is very discouraging to see that one of the founders has to carry his stuff from another forum over to here. Hopefully the right thing is going to be done here and this topic deleted. And the politics not allowed to go this board.

It will be.

Agreed. It all leaves a bad taste in your mouth especially when it was just announce to all that so and so allowed people to Listen into the private calls he had with others. Apparently a few of us here had there names publically announced as to being ones he let others listen to. I know what they call that here when something like that happens and I’ll leave that out…
I’ll Leave it at this. Time heals most wounds. Most of us won’t forget but we can forgive if we chose to because life is to darn short. I’d support in taking this thread out because the drama of it al can start to avalanche.

Nope, I’m good. Thanks Thad