Which machine would suit my needs better and/or is of better quality?

Not sure why you need hot water but good luck. If you are getting a refund you need a better accountant. Paying in or breaking even is much better than letting the gov keep your money all year.

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Hot water is better for every aspect, in my research. There are jobs i couldn’t take on without it. So i figured that would be my goal. As for the return, I’d have to make more money to pay in. If I can get a business off the ground, I’ll be paying in soon.

On second thought go with the Generac.

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Lol. Sounds like you got it figured out. Good luck

Not necessarily true. Hot water is better on some applications but that is offset by the cost, maintenance, and fuel used by a hot water burner. I have been washing and making a good profit from it for almost 15 years and never had a hot water unit, so I have personally proven that false.

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Gum removal, grease/oil stains… you feel there is no advantage to using hot water in those situations?

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It depends on your market.

Some markets will required that you do some commercial work, to stay busy. If you are in this type market, hot water is definitely a plus. The smaller population areas, like mine, will certainly favor having hot water available.

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Correct. And how often do homeowners use the pressure washer to clean the house and driveway? Once a year, Twice a year? What makes you think that a homeowner grade machine can withstand the abuse of day in day out commercial use? My first machine cost $299 at Lowes. Troy Built was the name on it. 2700 PSI 2.3 GPM. It lasted exactly 3 jobs before the pump burned out and the replacement cost of a new pump was more than the whole unit new. Even though I made more money than I had invested, it was an expensive lesson.

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This is true. I don’t do commercial concrete work which in my experience is the only time (except for hood cleaning) that hot water is a plus. Although, the EBC people are challenging that assumption.

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I didn’t vote for Trump(Castle got my vote) and don’t think he has been in office long enough to have a bearing on refunds two months ago but I may ne wrong. Either way I think we are on the same page. I have not had a refund since about 1987 but I’ve paid in a lot.

Have no idea why you would say this to me. If you are doing commercial concrete you need hot water definitely. Don’t need it for gum but it doesn’t hurt. My comment was directed to the kid with a $500 budget. Do you really think he needs hot water?

Ok. I think he got elected because people can’t see thru him and wanted anyone but Clinton but politics have never been resolved on social media :smile:. I’m all for a flat tax for all.

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I use hot water 3 days per month. All restaurants or strip malls for gum. I wash for 24 days most months.

Oh man… politics… I’m tapping out.

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Whoops, I didnt catch the part in his first post about starting residential, and then moving to commercial. I thought he was talking about using those machines for commercial too, so I didnt understand your statement about not needing hot water. I see now that you were only referring to residential.

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No worries. Dale Jr wrecked again so I’m happy. For the first time in 30 years no more Earnhardts at Daytona. That’s gotta be a good thing.

To start off buy a cheap used lawn trailer. Throw a 4gpm 4000psi belt drive machine on it. About 1300 bucks plus 400 for the used trailer. Get 150 ft of 3\4 hose for incominging water. Hook that to a 40 dollar Hudson valve inside a 65 gallon buffer tank from tractor supply (100 dollars) then a good 3\4 inch online filter 34 bucks. Buy a 35 gal tank for chemicals 60 bucks. Get a good wand and a 18 inch surface cleaner. Around 550… Then 150 foot of 3/8 double wire 4500 psi hose. Lastly get a good down stream injector or an xjet. You will then be able to do probably 90 percent of residential homes and do it in a timely manner. Take care of the surface cleaner and PW and they will last years. Hoses and fittings will depend on if you run chemicals through them,and how many jobs you do and how you treat them like draging them on Concrete or runing them over with the car… Also throw away the red tip so you don’t screw up… Most places have a package deal when you by the pressure washer, you usually get 50 ft of hose, a wand and 4 spray tips in clouded. If you have some cash left over buy some extra quick connects or at least a dental pick and o rings… If you are low on cash give up the surface cleaner and cut the hoses down to 100 ft each. And you can still do 70 percent of the regular homes… Just my 2 cents ps find a good supplier I like Tracey at norrhamerican pressure washing in Gainesville ga. He is very helpful and ships fast. You can probably find a used surface cleaner, don’t buy a cheap black and decker one get a good middle of the road one. Never buy a used PW unless you have some experince. That was 2 more of my cents for free… Lol

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65 gallon tank from Tractor Supply is $200 after tax.

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/leg-style-storage-tank-65-gal

Right. I’m saying he got elected to stop the non-sense of people not paying a dime in taxes and yet getting thousands in refunds. It’s form of socialism. Not American at all.

Well, some people (like me) don’t get 11k back. I put in a hell of a lot every year and I don’t get any form of gov assistance. I just don’t make enough to not get a return. Let’s not make this post political. Politics are annoying enough, we don’t need them here too. lol

To start off buy a cheap used lawn trailer. Throw a 4gpm 4000psi belt drive machine on it. About 1300 bucks plus 400 for the used trailer. Get 150 ft of 3\4 hose for incominging water. Hook that to a 40 dollar Hudson valve inside a 65 gallon buffer tank from tractor supply (100 dollars) then a good 3\4 inch online filter 34 bucks. Buy a 35 gal tank for chemicals 60 bucks. Get a good wand and a 18 inch surface cleaner. Around 550… Then 150 foot of 3/8 double wire 4500 psi hose. Lastly get a good down stream injector or an xjet. You will then be able to do probably 90 percent of residential homes and do it in a timely manner. Take care of the surface cleaner and PW and they will last years. Hoses and fittings will depend on if you run chemicals through them,and how many jobs you do and how you treat them like draging them on Concrete or runing them over with the car… Also throw away the red tip so you don’t screw up… Most places have a package deal when you by the pressure washer, you usually get 50 ft of hose, a wand and 4 spray tips in clouded. If you have some cash left over buy some extra quick connects or at least a dental pick and o rings… If you are low on cash give up the surface cleaner and cut the hoses down to 100 ft each. And you can still do 70 percent of the regular homes… Just my 2 cents ps find a good supplier I like Tracey at norrhamerican pressure washing in Gainesville ga. He is very helpful and ships fast. You can probably find a used surface cleaner, don’t buy a cheap black and decker one get a good middle of the road one. Never buy a used PW unless you have some experince. That was 2 more of my cents for free… Lol

Nice advice. That’s pretty much what I want to upgrade to from here, unless I get a good hot water unit next year. I’d eventually like to upgrade and start offer commercial services. I’m betting I can get more commercial contracts than I can residential and I bet with less work too. But the investment part is why I have to slow down. Gotta start small and work my way up. Appreciate the advice.