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I love talking about the flood. Some people (many theologians included) choose to take the whole story of Noah’s ark as allegory.

But there is a lot of evidence for a global flood. Nearly every civilization has a great flood story, with many of the basic details matching up.

There was a mass extinction event sometime between 4000-10000 years ago. Many scientists call it our most recent ice age, but there are others who feel that the evidence points more towards a flood than a standard ice age. Woolly Mammoths, Saber Tooth cats, and many other species found flash-frozen with food still in their mouths. A typical ice age struggles to explain how that happened, but the rapid cooling caused by a deluge upon a planet that pretty much had a greenhouse-tropical environment prior to the extinction event would.

Along with the last ice age/great flood, were massive seismic events. Mountains grew rapidly in height, and the ocean trenches sunk deeper. If you smoothed out the topology of the earth just a little bit, to the way it might’ve looked prior to that event, the entire globe would be covered in water.

Noah’s ark itself was a miracle. Whether it all happened exactly as in the Bible account, or God found another (perhaps harder to describe in ancient times) way to preserve life through the last extinction event, is open to interpretation. But I feel it’s not that far fetched to believe it happened more or less as recorded in the Bible.

Much of the diversity in species and breeds has developed over the last several thousand years. The thousands of species of dogs, wolves, etc can be traced back to a common lineage of wolves around 3-4000 years ago.

The same is true of a lot of different animal species. There would not have been millions of animals on the ark. And God allowed some of the diversity in species that had been present, to go extinct. Which would be easier to have on the ark, a Woolly Mammoth, or a regular Elephant? A tiger, or a saber tooth cat?


On a side thought, I just wanted to point out that not all Christians believe in a “young earth”. The biblical and scientific evidence points to the fact that the “creative days” were figurative, and define epochs of creative acts. And depending on how you read the genesis account, the creative ‘days’ do not even begin until after God first created the heavens and the earth.

Interestingly, the general scientific view agrees with the sequence in Genesis in which the various species appeared. How an ancient bible writer got the sequence right, when many other creation legends of that period were sideways and upside down so to speak, is quite an interesting question.

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You got a few facts wrong but yes and the evidence is overwhelming for the flood!
This is a great resource that answers alot of questions about the flood, age of earth… and much more

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I’m sorry I’ll have to research my sources next time before I blab everything I’ve heard but I was referring to a study measuring the amount of mud rivers deposit in the ocean.
Here is a great resource showing scientificly the earth is only around 6000 years old

I enjoy reading and exploring topics like history, geology and biology which made stories like Noah’s ark and others amusing to me as a child .

An interesting story from Australian Aboriginal culture is of a Rainbow Serpent that created the rivers and valleys with its huge snake body tearing apart mountain ranges and carving a path from the inland to the sea.

I guess folklore tales abound in all cultures, I just try to let common sense be my guide.

Scientific views upon evolution were debated pretty heavily in the years following Darwin’s theory in 1859 but not anymore due to the overwhelming amount of evidence in its favour.

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Sorry man but this guy is a nut. Believe what you want but the scientific community overwhelmingly agrees that the earth is billions of years old. I was raised in a Baptist church, there every Sunday, Wednesday night etc… but science, logic and reason make much more sense to me. To each his own! Hope everyone had a good easter!

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I hate to get dragged into this but I have no faith in the so called scientific community. I grew up as an agnostic I guess. No religion whatsoever and I lost respect for the scientific community after being told in the 1970s that there was a coming ice age, in the 1980s that I was going to die of AIDS even if I was a heterosexual, in the 1990s being told that all computers were going to crash and the whole world would be plunged into chaos on January 1st 2000. But hey, you can believe whoever you want to, just don’t forget, we’re still waiting to be wiped out by the Asian bird flu of 2005.

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I think you’re confusing the media circus with science. Anything that can be blown out of proportion by the media will be, so that you a as a viewer are more engaged and watch more commercials.

Fascinating how you can distrust science while you post on the internet from your phone and drive your truck and use a pressure washer and apply chemicals and watch TV and use electricity and probably take medicine or go to the doctor or fly on planes or maybe wear glasses when science is responsible for all those things and more.

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You lost me there. Early on they understood very little about AIDS and later HIV but I never heard that from science source. Yes, there was histeria about catching various ways but not from Scientists.

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God gave us brains for a reason! :+1:

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Scientist does a study and concludes there may be a possibility of a bird flu pandemic given the right conditions, recommends countries develop a contingency plan and a vaccine in case of said pandemic

Media says “SCIENTISTS SAY BIRD FLU WILL WIPE US ALL OUT! STAY TUNED WHILE THIS MAN WITH NO QUALIFICATIONS OR SCIENTIFIC BACKGROUND TELLS YOU WHY!”

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Especially in the last 10 or 15 years.

I appreciate that everyone has been presenting their opinions in a respectful manner until now.

I just want to offer a preemptive word of caution: these types of discussions very rarely result in someone changing their point of view. In fact, the opposite usually happens. Confirmation bias kicks in and it simply reaffirms what we already believe.

In the event that someone’s belief system becomes threatened, that’s where it can turn ugly and people become defensive. Because we can’t all be right, that will eventually happen on one side or the other.

So please proceed with caution. It’s nice to be able to share one’s beliefs and learn what others believe. But remember that you probably won’t change anyone else’s views, and if you start to become offended by the discussion, or feel the driving need to correct a misconception, then it’s probably time to excuse yourself from the discussion and mute the topic.

Just my 2¢

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The problem with science is that it suffers from the same systemic corruption that religion does. Money and politics get in the way of the truth.

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The idea that science as a field suffers from corruption gets thrown around a lot, specifically in regard to climate science. Sounds like a fox news talking point. I’m not going to waste my breath trying to convince you otherwise but the long and short of it is that most scientists have the skills to make a lot more money in the private sector but choose to work to further knowledge despite the low pay purely out of dedication and passion for science. Here’s an article you can read about the “paid science” myth if you’re so inclined. The Baseless Claim That Climate Scientists Are ‘Driven’ by Money - The New York Times

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let’s derail this with a pic of Mom and Dad eating breakfast with at the cabin and Mom complaining the entire meal that instant grits aren’t fit to be eaten

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No, I have a brother-in-law who worked for a cancer drug research company… My knowledge of science being corrupted by money and politics also comes first hand, not from some article I cut and pasted off of Google, thank you very much.

Instant grits !! OOO the shame …

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Don’t worry, that was my last post in this thread. I don’t have time to post in it anymore because I have to go prepare for the Ebola outbreak that’s coming. :joy:

“This one guy I know said something that validates my worldview so it must be true!”

Yeah, makes total sense why you don’t trust science now.

I was wondering how long it would take…